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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
		<link>http://jcdfitness.com/2009/04/religulous-fitness-fundamentalists/comment-page-1/#comment-2832</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s all very nice, but at what dosages? 
Everything is bad given a high enough dosage, so now go and check what the figures are for fructose causing all that damage and compare that to what the average persons intake will be. (one study was done using 60% kcal from fructose, thats realistic in an everyday diet isnt it?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s all very nice, but at what dosages?<br />
Everything is bad given a high enough dosage, so now go and check what the figures are for fructose causing all that damage and compare that to what the average persons intake will be. (one study was done using 60% kcal from fructose, thats realistic in an everyday diet isnt it?)</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
		<link>http://jcdfitness.com/2009/04/religulous-fitness-fundamentalists/comment-page-1/#comment-2824</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the sugar is turning into glucose AND fructose, and concentrated fructose is what I&#039;m saying is damaging. Why is that so hard for you to understand. Fructose causes fatty liver disease, high tri-glycerides, and insulin resistance, the later of which directly causes obesity. 

You seem to be incapable of fathoming the difference between a molecule of fructose and a molecule of glucose? Why do you insist on alleging they are the same thing? If you can&#039;t grasp this simple distinction, you are doomed to never grasp what&#039;s going on in your own body. It&#039;s tragic.

I&#039;m not going to &quot;find you anything.&quot; If you absolutely refuse to accept this fundamental difference, you have proven that this discussion will never go anywhere. 

You keep going back to starving Africans, but in the same areas with rampant malnutrition in children, obesity is observed in adults, especially females, when the diet is high in refined carbohydrate.

I was enjoying our discussion. It&#039;s a pity that you have to resort to ad hominem name calling and profanity because the science fails you. Clearly you aren&#039;t as interested with the truth as you are with being the &quot;winner.&quot;

Fine, you &#039;win.&#039; I&#039;m done here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the sugar is turning into glucose AND fructose, and concentrated fructose is what I&#8217;m saying is damaging. Why is that so hard for you to understand. Fructose causes fatty liver disease, high tri-glycerides, and insulin resistance, the later of which directly causes obesity. </p>
<p>You seem to be incapable of fathoming the difference between a molecule of fructose and a molecule of glucose? Why do you insist on alleging they are the same thing? If you can&#8217;t grasp this simple distinction, you are doomed to never grasp what&#8217;s going on in your own body. It&#8217;s tragic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to &#8220;find you anything.&#8221; If you absolutely refuse to accept this fundamental difference, you have proven that this discussion will never go anywhere. </p>
<p>You keep going back to starving Africans, but in the same areas with rampant malnutrition in children, obesity is observed in adults, especially females, when the diet is high in refined carbohydrate.</p>
<p>I was enjoying our discussion. It&#8217;s a pity that you have to resort to ad hominem name calling and profanity because the science fails you. Clearly you aren&#8217;t as interested with the truth as you are with being the &#8220;winner.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fine, you &#8216;win.&#8217; I&#8217;m done here.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt P</title>
		<link>http://jcdfitness.com/2009/04/religulous-fitness-fundamentalists/comment-page-1/#comment-2537</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: &quot;Doctors wrote it!&quot; 

That&#039;s awesome. Now go to Pubmed and find me some peer-reviewed journal articles. That&#039;s my standard of evidence, not &quot;some shit I Googled&quot;. 

If you can&#039;t find primary sources, I&#039;m not interested. 



&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;And your references to starving Africans and Concentration camp victims is deeply flawed, because sugar is one of the first commodities to become scarce in war torn economically depressed areas. In europe sugar become almost non-existent during world war II, so no, referencing those two groups does not prove me wrong when I say that eating nothing but 800kcal, or 32 cubes of sugar, will likely kill you in a year.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Fine Captain Semantics, substitute sugar with grains. It&#039;s all turning into glucose in the bloodstream. 

So if a fat person is eating 800kcal of  and nothing else, is that person 1) still going to be fat in a year and 2) die of starvation while still being fat?

Because those starving Africans think you&#039;re full of shit. 

It&#039;s becoming pretty clear you can&#039;t actually answer this substantively (note: &quot;go read Google&quot; is not substantive). Which is kinda shitty for the Low Carb Magic side of the argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &#8220;Doctors wrote it!&#8221; </p>
<p>That&#8217;s awesome. Now go to Pubmed and find me some peer-reviewed journal articles. That&#8217;s my standard of evidence, not &#8220;some shit I Googled&#8221;. </p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t find primary sources, I&#8217;m not interested. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;And your references to starving Africans and Concentration camp victims is deeply flawed, because sugar is one of the first commodities to become scarce in war torn economically depressed areas. In europe sugar become almost non-existent during world war II, so no, referencing those two groups does not prove me wrong when I say that eating nothing but 800kcal, or 32 cubes of sugar, will likely kill you in a year.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Fine Captain Semantics, substitute sugar with grains. It&#8217;s all turning into glucose in the bloodstream. </p>
<p>So if a fat person is eating 800kcal of  and nothing else, is that person 1) still going to be fat in a year and 2) die of starvation while still being fat?</p>
<p>Because those starving Africans think you&#8217;re full of shit. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s becoming pretty clear you can&#8217;t actually answer this substantively (note: &#8220;go read Google&#8221; is not substantive). Which is kinda shitty for the Low Carb Magic side of the argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
		<link>http://jcdfitness.com/2009/04/religulous-fitness-fundamentalists/comment-page-1/#comment-2532</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt I think you need to qualify the statement &quot;nothing about fructose is toxic&quot; with fact. Google &quot;fructose poison&quot; and you&#039;ll get so many hits explaining this concept it&#039;s overwhelming. I guess all of them were written by crazies? Oh wait, actually a lot of them were written by doctors . . . weird. I guess they&#039;re crazy too.

It&#039;s clear you simply aren&#039;t giving my arguments a chance. If you were really trying to find the &lt;i&gt;truth,&lt;/i&gt; instead of trying to be right, then you&#039;d watch that video I linked you to below. I know that you haven&#039;t, because no logical person can watch that video and still think that fructose, in the concentrations westerners consume it, is not dangerous. You seem to be a logical guy, so that means you can&#039;t have watched the video.

And your references to starving Africans and Concentration camp victims is deeply flawed, because sugar is one of the first commodities to become scarce in war torn economically depressed areas. In europe sugar become almost non-existent during world war II, so no, referencing those two groups does not prove me wrong when I say that eating nothing but 800kcal, or 32 cubes of sugar, will likely kill you in a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt I think you need to qualify the statement &#8220;nothing about fructose is toxic&#8221; with fact. Google &#8220;fructose poison&#8221; and you&#8217;ll get so many hits explaining this concept it&#8217;s overwhelming. I guess all of them were written by crazies? Oh wait, actually a lot of them were written by doctors . . . weird. I guess they&#8217;re crazy too.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear you simply aren&#8217;t giving my arguments a chance. If you were really trying to find the <i>truth,</i> instead of trying to be right, then you&#8217;d watch that video I linked you to below. I know that you haven&#8217;t, because no logical person can watch that video and still think that fructose, in the concentrations westerners consume it, is not dangerous. You seem to be a logical guy, so that means you can&#8217;t have watched the video.</p>
<p>And your references to starving Africans and Concentration camp victims is deeply flawed, because sugar is one of the first commodities to become scarce in war torn economically depressed areas. In europe sugar become almost non-existent during world war II, so no, referencing those two groups does not prove me wrong when I say that eating nothing but 800kcal, or 32 cubes of sugar, will likely kill you in a year.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 07:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bryce,

I suggest you actually spend the time to understand what a meta-analysis actually is, and why GCBC is not a meta-analysis and why it is not infact a good review of the literature, but the fantastic biased ramblings of a journalist telling a story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bryce,</p>
<p>I suggest you actually spend the time to understand what a meta-analysis actually is, and why GCBC is not a meta-analysis and why it is not infact a good review of the literature, but the fantastic biased ramblings of a journalist telling a story.</p>
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